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Posted 18 April 2008 - 08:43 PM

OK,
so basically this area is going to be brutally honest if you cant handle honest opinion leave now. any questions/enquireez you make will be replied to by any of the artists from the artists section of this forum, that means the people who will be answering your questions are already in the tattoo/piercing industry. so some rules,

1, your post will be deleted if you post anything to do with the technical aspect of tattooing/piercing, so dont bother asking for tattooing/piercing tips.

2, your post will be deleted or completely ripped apart if you are discussing, contemplating, or admitting, tattooing/piercing from a non health regitered studio or your house.

3, respect the opinion of the professionals that reply to you, they know more than you do. if you start kicking off about what a professional has said to you your pissy posts wil be deleted.

4, if your going to ask for or about apprenticeships, please include in your post, a few examples of your artwork, a little bit about why you want to be a tattoo artist/piercer, and maybe even some of the tattoo artists/non tattoo artists/piercers/body modders that inspire you, this tends to help show wether you are serious or not, there are a lot of tattoo artists registered to this forum, who will be able to advise on what your options are, ((warning)) opinions in threads of this nature will be brutally honest.))

5,Seriously, leave your shitty attitude at the door, if you have one.

6, please do this whatever you are asking about apprenticeships, be it who what why where or when.

i will update this sticky as this sub thread progresses in order to keep it as help full as possible

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 06:27 PM

Jim wrote this on another forum and i think it deserves a place here as well.

So you want to be an apprentice Tattooist?


Ok, you have decided you want to secure a Tattooing Apprenticeship, what should you know, and why will this advice make any difference to you in your search?
Well, the first thing you have to know is that there is no such thing as a “Tattoo Apprenticeship”. After 4 years in a professional studio environment, you won’t get a laminated certificate from the nice people at the City and Guilds Charter Office. You won’t be able to hang a sign outside saying “Tattoos by Joe Bloggs (T.A). It’s not like a plumbing apprenticeship where you have the proof of tests passed and certificates awarded. In fact, the most accurate description, in my opinion, would be that you would get a “Shown How to Do Tattoo Stuff” course that lasted between 3 and 5 years. If you really were interested in TATTOOING and not the fabled rock-star lifestyle that those of us who have studios of our own enjoy. I’m sure you all know what I’m talking about, we turn up at the local nightclub in a limo all the time with totty literally hanging off us, covered in bling and giving the world the one-finger salute and getting in everywhere before the rest of the people queuing because we know all the bouncers. All the free equipment we have lavished upon us by adoring supply-companies is handy too, not to mention the fact that everyone in local authority bends over backwards to make sure we are able to run our business smoothly. Yes Sirree, life sure is sweet when you’re a successful Tattoo Arteest, toolin’ around town in your fancy wheels and being the envy of all you come into contact with.

If you think that’s the sort of lives we live, then it’s not a Tattoo Apprenticeship you should be looking for, it’s a stint with the rest of the fucking clowns at Billy Smarts Circus.
Look, not to sound condescending, but here’s the rub.
When Artists see all you people posting the same pathetic words time after time, despite the fact that approximately a gazillion-thousand others have posted almost exactly the same damn thing in numerous forums then you MUST understand why you get met with derision.
If you don’t, then you’re a moron.

If you’re a moron, or maybe just to pre-empt any moronic posts, put quite simply, we wouldn’t take on anyone stupid enough to persist in this fashion. No-one, or maybe one or two VERY unusual cases, has yet got a favourable response from these types of post, at least not after the first few, and not just on this forum. Take what you will from that, but using it as an opinion poll; I’d say that it was 100% likely to fail. Imagine taking on an apprentice who had to be told the same things over and over and over again, without them actually absorbing any of the info. It would be like Groundhog Day but bloodier in the long run.

Okay, what else? Oh yeah, starter kits. When we all tell you they aren’t worth the money, it’s not because we’re trembling in our boots with fear that you’ll buy one and immediately astound the Tattoo world with your brilliance, Thus putting all us old windbags in the shade. No. It’s because a very large percentage of us are of a certain generation. We’re the original Generation-X, we’re the punks and rockers of the late 70’s and 80’s, WE’RE the original “people to avoid”, the “bad crowd”, we’re the negative influence on all the little swots and mummy’s boys of the 80’s, the people who scorned yuppies and lived on the road at festivals and conventions, we’re the Ink-Gypsies of the 20th Century’s last quarter. We’re also the stupid cunts who bought a starter-kit way back in the day, and that’s why we always tell you they’re no good. Because we KNOW. No other reason, ok? Don’t go cluttering up your mind with negative conspiracy theories regarding the evil brother-and-sisterhood of Tattooing trying to close the business to everyone. We’re not, there is no conspiracy, I have said it once already and I say it again, YOU DO NOT CHOOSE TATTOOING, TATTOOING CHOOSES YOU.
So, how do you get in the line-up to be chosen?

Well, in broadly general terms, a lot of people get involved because they already have a strong interest in the Art itself, and usually have at least a few Tattoos. (Please note: DO NOT mistake the phrase “strong interest” for the phrase “Tattoos are cool”). Someone with a strong interest will be able to hold a conversation on their likes and dislikes regarding their body-art without having to resort to the “its cool/wicked/boss/rad, I loves them” mantra. Anyway, as I’m sure you will find if you research thoroughly, a LOT of people get involved through building a relationship with their Artist. Sometime, clients become lifelong friends, and in that manner have been introduced to Tattooing. Others have expressed an interest to their Artist and been given a chance to learn. It’s all down to how the dice rolls. If you find a Tattooist and Studio you like, maybe you will, in time, be offered a job answering the ‘phone, or mopping the floors or whatever and work your way up from there, that part is entirely dependant on luck, serendipity, sub-conscious synergy, or maybe he just fired the last bitch/prick he had being rude to his clients at the desk, who knows? However you happen to get involved will depend on fate, persistence of pursuing your goal, or sheer blind luck.

There is no such thing as a “TATTOO SCHOOL”. There are many pretenders, with fancy set-ups and yards of synthetic skin or winos for you to chop up and infect, there are places that will give you a certificate and there are even one or two who coyly hint that they have the approval of their government to teach you Tattooing. Crap. Complete bullshit. While I’m not saying that an apprenticeship is the only way anyone will ever learn, I do maintain that it is the only GOOD way. The only thing you get from courses/schools/academies (academy, lol, don’t make me fucking puke) will be a far lighter wallet, and a load of duff equipment they couldn’t sell to a professional in a million years, and enough bad info to fill a double-decker bus. So DON’T be fooled into thinking a “Tattoo starter-kit” will get you on the road, it won’t, but it will keep your “supplier” on the road….. in his fancy car.

Above all else, before you even consider going into Tattooing as an apprentice, ask yourself this: What do I have to offer this Artist? What skills can I bring to the studio? What experience do I have?
If you think you are going to waltz out of school or college and into a studio, then you need to think again. Tattooing is a wonderful, expressive, rewarding career to be involved in.
Tattooing can also boot you in the balls with brute force when you least expect it, then stamp on your head when you’re down. Sometimes you get stamped on for months, sometimes you sail serenely on making a decent wage and paying the bills. Based on the apparent average age of people asking for apprenticeships: you can relate to this how? You haven’t had a job. Most likely you haven’t travelled. You’ve never had the responsibility of having to pay your way. Bills don’t get paid by magic, you know. If you have no experience of earning on a regular basis, how will you cope with no money at all for days, weeks, months? Could you even handle that? There’s not a professional Tattoo Artist in this forum who won’t tell you they’ve had hard times. When we talk about our eating choice being Ramen Noodles or Surf and Turf, do you guys even know what the fuck we’re ACTUALLY saying? It’s not a restricted menu in a minimalist restaurant; it’s what we say when we’ve had good or bad days, weeks or months. I once had a bad run that lasted 2 YEARS!! Bills got paid but I got no wages, so no wages no treats like fags, magazines, new clothes etc. Am I maybe rubbing the gold-plating a bit hard here? The glitter of Tattooing getting a little duller yet for you? You think I’m trying to paint a bleak picture here? I can assure you I am not. The harsh reality is that you really need to have some savings behind you to make a go of any offer you get, so while you’re researching and studying and visiting Tattooists and their studios trying to find a way through the maze and into Tattooing, you should be putting an equal amount of effort into finding a job. If not a job, then more education, anything but a CV that says “Been on dole 3 years, can draw a bit, partly house-trained.”

It’s just not fucking good enough. You’re going to have the brass neck to ask someone who doesn’t know you to risk all they have worked for to give you a chance. I mean, a million good Tattoos will get you a good reputation, but one Fuck-up by your apprentice will ruin your whole fucking business. And then…. what? Are you going to be able to pay your mentors mortgage? Electricity, gas, water, rates? For the studio AND his/her house? No? Didn’t think so. Most likely response would be “Shouldn’t have taken me on”. That’s why it’s so difficult to trust anyone with that chance, its not just time invested, equipment used and all the rest of the energy that would be required. It’s the chance you’re taking on someone who has the power to ruin your entire life.
By now I sincerely hope you’re beginning to get the picture.

Next time you get flamed over a post, remember the people you’re about to gob-off at are the very people who are all connected, industry-wide, some of us Internationally and as you see from this forum, we all network. If you’re an arsehole to a Tattooist in Cornwall, bet your bottom dollar that we’ll hear all about you in Scotland, or Manchester or wherever. Never shit in your own nest, that’s my advice. Better you don’t put your foot in your mouth, it’ll save you meeting up with the target of your abuse at a convention and getting a foot in the arse.
Anyway, it’s not all doom and gloom. Now and again, a vacancy opens that’s just right for you, you get your dream chance; you’re stoked, over the moon, jumping for joy.
Wait a minute! I’ve brought all me pencils in me furry case and a big new flash-pad (you used to buy drawing pads, but now you have a job in a studio, surely they’re flash pads? Sorry, sadly this is not the case. Flash-pads will remove a lot of stubborn stains, but drawing pads are fine for drawing flash,) so why the hell should I be cleaning the toilet? I haven’t even peed in it yet, let alone bombed China, and it stinks! Well, that’s the thing. It’s not just the toilet, or washing the floors, or re-grouting the tiles, or painting the walls/doors/ceiling. It’s not just sorting 8323 sheets of flash into an Alphabetical system or de-needling a weeks worth of needle-bars or cleaning out the ultrasound cleaners every day or remembering to double-bag every bin in the building. It’s not just dusting the corners and wiping the chair and work-surfaces every time some other lucky bastard has had Ink done. It’s not about making sure the staff room (yes, I have one of those in my studio, and a full-size shower-room too!), is hoover-ed or that the pavement outside the studio is swept and sluiced down with detergent and bleach every day before you open the doors and the doors themselves are washed and the signs beside the doors. It’s not about WHAT the job is, it’s the fact that it NEEDS doing! It needs doing to ensure the Artist has time to teach you, instead of him or her having to do all those jobs AND show you how to reduce their income. Any clearer yet?

Is it sinking in that we are not faceless automatons just waiting to programme you with pixie-dust Tattooing-ability? Take this pill after supper and you’ll Tattoo like a Master in the morning, honest? See? Not as simple as you thought eh?

Then there’s the needle-making. Yes I use pre-mades, but if you have no idea of how to make your own then how will you ever understand HOW they make that line? WHY it’s best to lay needles THIS way and not THAT? WHAT needles to use? WHERE to solder them to? WHY that amount of solder? Why that TYPE of solder? How do you neutralise the solder to prevent blacking? Do you even know what I’m on about? No? See…that’s the thing. There are 1000’s of things to learn when you Tattoo, and each of those things, or tasks, has maybe 3 or 4 or maybe even DOZENS of sub-tasks you need to learn to do it right. Then there’s sterilisation, cross-contamination control, storage of equipment, cleaning of equipment, machine maintenance, outline theory, shade theory, round, oval flat or magnums? Stacked? 3,5,7,9, or higher on those liners? How come there are no even numbered liners? Well there are actually, there’s a box-4 liner for instance, and some bigger rounds like 18’s for extreme power-lining, but the point is that there are dozens of configurations of needle set-up, and it takes years to discover what works best for you.
Should you get a place in a studio, you won’t be made privy to where all the equipment is bought from. Nor will you have any right to be. Your mentor will advise when it is time to buy anything he or she may feel you are ready to add to your toolkit. That’s why professionals always advise you to wait. It’s a big commitment. I reckon you’d need to invest a minimum of £12,000 to have all you would need to operate from a premises whether it be your own or someone else’s, so it’s a huge investment for a young person with no idea of how harsh being self-employed can be. Let alone being self-employed in a “niche” Craft.

Don’t get me wrong here. Those of you who read this and say “Fuck You”, you’re Moronic, and won’t be responded to. Those of you who say “Fuck THAT for a game of soldiers” will probably shrug, realise I’m right and it was the glamour of a renegade lifestyle they were attracted to, change your name to Fred and go set up a band with some mates.
Then there are those of you who will say “Fuck it, I can do all that AND work in a pub/chippy/petrol station at night to make money while I learn”. Those are the people who will make it, with various degrees of success. You must be willing to DEVOTE yourself to learning how to Tattoo as well as you possibly can. Being “into” it isn’t enough. Can you leave your Saturday night piss-ups behind to learn about Jerry Collins one night over a few quiet beers or a smoke? Will you be able to watch your mates pile into a taxi to go into town and get shit-faced while you get shown how to re-tip a tube or learn how to operate the new vacuum autoclave your mentor has just invested almost £3,000 in? Will you be able to spend time online looking-up the Tattoo Archives instead of ogling photo-shopped pics of Britney and various members of the canine world?

Why should you care who Greg Irons was? Do you give a shit about Bill Jones? You really should. Do you know who Prince Vallar was? Why not? He was the foremost exponent of fine-line Tattooing in the UK in his time. What group did Nick Picarro play in? Is the Paul Rogers business card in my collection genuine? (Of course, mine is, but how would you ever know if you don’t know what significance he had to people like me?). What possesses Tattooists to want to own EVERY book on the subject? Can I possibly ever use my entire machine collection? (Doubtful, but I’m gonna use every one of them on at least ONE piece ). What’s the difference between a grommet and a nipple?

What would you store on a spring shelf? Do pigments really have pig in them? Should ALL Tattoo Studios require a certificate of competence in cross-contamination control and a PVTC for their autoclave or is it just dumb schmucks like us professional devotees who should need to bother shelling out on that? What’s the connection between the UK and the worlds first Tattoo Convention held in the USA? Some sources claim Tattooing to be as old as the Phoenicians, what proof is there of that? Why did a mummified body in the Tyrolean Alps have “Christian” Cross Tattoos Inked into its flesh when the mummy has been carbon-dated to pre-date the time of Christ.

What did Dostoevsky think of Tattoos? How did he get so much exposure to them? Does ink go “off”? There are 1,000’s of facts, trivia, myths, legends, rumours, (some about me! Lol) and really you need to absorb as much of the arcane side of Tattooing as you do of the technicalities. There’s not an “old-time” Tattooist who couldn’t boldly put raconteur, philosopher, seeker of truth, psychiatrist, judge, counsellor, negotiator, or a hundred other lost, dying or forgotten skills you need in this business in BIG letters on their calling-card. Tattooing can elevate you to a high level of understanding in many fields, but most of my colleagues will tell you that those rewards don’t come without sacrifice.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 08:16 PM

Thanks for that Jan.
Just a note or two:
Firstly, the blog above is intended to be tongue in cheek. Since I first posted it a couple of years ago I've had a fair few people email me to protest the brutal honesty it reveals about how hard this Profession is on people who think they have what it takes.
If you cannot or will not read it in the context it is written, then that is no concern of mine.
The blog is my opinion, it's not the law of Tattoo.
Secondly, in addition to Chris-O's post at the top of the page, if your first ever post in our forum is a bog-standard "me,me,me,me, want, want,want", and it is obvious you haven't had the courtesy to read the previous informative posts on the subject, let alone the good manners to introduce yourself properly, I WILL delete your post.
Read the backposts, and if you still insist on posting your desire for an apprenticeship or advice, please, at least have the common decency to ask in a manner likely to get you the answers you want.
My guess is that this post is in response to the negative attitude we artists get from people who think that what we do is a fucking hobby and "just something I'd like to try".
If this is your opinion of our Art, lifestyle and livelihood, the door's over there........

Chris....about time we put a stop to the whining and dummy spitting we put up with from so-called devotee's. Nice one.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 09:34 PM

Great article and read Jim.


I agree with Chris' post at the end too.


Post Number One:

I want to be a tattooist. How can I get an apprenticeship?




Why not actually contribute to the forum for a while at least out of common decency. It stinks of carpet-bagging.

It's not 'what can I do for my forum... but what can my forum do for me?'


And then they always disappear without a trace. Total posts. 3.


Shit really.




I've hit 40 and lost my tolerance. Now fuck off.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (themadaxeman @ Aug 29 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great article and read Jim.


I agree with Chris' post at the end too.


Post Number One:

I want to be a tattooist. How can I get an apprenticeship?




Why not actually contribute to the forum for a while at least out of common decency. It stinks of carpet-bagging.

It's not 'what can I do for my forum... but what can my forum do for me?'


And then they always disappear without a trace. Total posts. 3.


Shit really.


That's exactly what Chris is addressing here mate, it's all the posts expecting one-way traffic that make us wonder why we bother making a contribution in the apprenticeship section.
To be honest, among all the dabblers, hobbyists, and shortcut seekers and those who just "want to try it because I can paint or sketch a bit" posters, every now and then we may actually find someone who replies to our world-weary repeats with a refreshing "Never thought of it like that, where do I go from here?". That is what makes it all worthwhile, finding someone who goes on to make their mark by doing really nice work.
But No, it's always fuck you guys for not flooding my inbox with links, anecdotes and job offers.

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Posted 30 August 2009 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE (Jim @ Aug 30 2009, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's exactly what Chris is addressing here mate, it's all the posts expecting one-way traffic that make us wonder why we bother making a contribution in the apprenticeship section.
To be honest, among all the dabblers, hobbyists, and shortcut seekers and those who just "want to try it because I can paint or sketch a bit" posters, every now and then we may actually find someone who replies to our world-weary repeats with a refreshing "Never thought of it like that, where do I go from here?". That is what makes it all worthwhile, finding someone who goes on to make their mark by doing really nice work.
But No, it's always fuck you guys for not flooding my inbox with links, anecdotes and job offers.



Yeah.. and that's a generalisation life thing most likely.. not just people after tattoo apprenticeships.


I am a 40 year old long in the tooth grumpy bastard but if I was artistically inclined and wanted an apprenticeship I would jump at the chance to do the following..


Clean the bogs.
Answer the phone.
Mop up everyone elses blood, wetwipes, kitchen roll and shite.
Make the tea.
Run around for every fucker.
Go fetch dinner.

And draw. Every spare minute.


And that's at my age.

But that's the same in any profession. Whatever entry level you go into anything, you have to be prepared to be someone's bitch.

If you're not, you're pretty much fucked really.


You should even be offering to help out and learn for fuck all really, if you have youth on your side and no ties, kids, or mortgage. And just pay board.

Perhaps for a bit of 'afterhours' free tattooing?



But that's life in general.


Everyone wants everything on a plate. People think that everyone owes them a living these days.


And they don't.
I've hit 40 and lost my tolerance. Now fuck off.
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Posted 30 August 2009 - 04:12 PM

QUOTE (themadaxeman @ Aug 30 2009, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah.. and that's a generalisation life thing most likely.. not just people after tattoo apprenticeships.


I am a 40 year old long in the tooth grumpy bastard but if I was artistically inclined and wanted an apprenticeship I would jump at the chance to do the following..


Clean the bogs.
Answer the phone.
Mop up everyone elses blood, wetwipes, kitchen roll and shite.
Make the tea.
Run around for every fucker.
Go fetch dinner.

And draw. Every spare minute.


And that's at my age.

But that's the same in any profession. Whatever entry level you go into anything, you have to be prepared to be someone's bitch.

If you're not, you're pretty much fucked really.


You should even be offering to help out and learn for fuck all really, if you have youth on your side and no ties, kids, or mortgage. And just pay board.

Perhaps for a bit of 'afterhours' free tattooing?



But that's life in general.


Everyone wants everything on a plate. People think that everyone owes them a living these days.


And they don't.



DEAL!
What do you want Tattooed, and when can you start?
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Posted 30 August 2009 - 05:39 PM

QUOTE (Jim @ Aug 30 2009, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DEAL!
What do you want Tattooed, and when can you start?



LMAO! biggrin.gif


Right attitude, but a 40 year old bloke who ain't interested hahahaha!!!


Irony or what?


Though I would like some stars on me head like Kat Von Pee. wacko1.gif



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Posted 30 August 2009 - 11:30 PM

QUOTE (themadaxeman @ Aug 30 2009, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LMAO! biggrin.gif


Right attitude, but a 40 year old bloke who ain't interested hahahaha!!!


Irony or what?
wacko1.gif


No mate, just a shame we can't clone your attitude, lol.
What is ironic is that I posted some months ago that I had some opportunities coming up for determined and dedicated individuals.
All this time later and I've only had, wait a mo while I count 'em.............no fucking enquiries whatsoever; leading me to the conclusion that there must be a grand total of absolutely fuckall people who really want to Tattoo, they just want to whine about how harsh we all are toward them. Either that, or there are no individuals, no talented people and no determined would-be apprentices visiting the forum.
This isn't the only offer posted here, others have posted and met the same lack of response. Honestly, the apprenticeship section is a complete waste of time, it should be re-named the "would love life handed to me on a plate, with my arse wiped for me" section.
I give in.
I'm off to see if there's an "ignore"option...............
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:09 PM

[b]Hi.

I hope you have a moment to read this, I am 27 and have been passionate about art and design all my life, I am passionate about tattoos, and I am graphic designer/artist, I can design bespoke tattoos using photoshop and Illustrator and also by drawings.

I have been looking out for many years for an apprenticeship in tattooing, without success. I am based In dumfries and would commute anywhere to gain the experience and training, as its my dream job.

If you have not any time or vacancies can you give me any valuable advice in the hope of finding an apprenticeship or training as i dont want to give up my dream career.
I was going to buy tattoo equipment and practise myself on the correct material but Id rather approach It with a professionals advice and learn in a studio environment.

Thanks for your time

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 12:49 AM

orrrhhh id be the right kind of slave-person and have even saved up cold hard cash so i can afford to do so, however i live in yorkshire. =^_^= im amassing my portfolio to hit the pavement as we speak so fingers crossed il show enough dedication and skill to find a nice place to make tea and learn closer to home. xx
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 07:05 PM

View Postglitterhotdog, on 10 February 2010 - 12:49 AM, said:

orrrhhh id be the right kind of slave-person and have even saved up cold hard cash so i can afford to do so, however i live in yorkshire. =^_^= im amassing my portfolio to hit the pavement as we speak so fingers crossed il show enough dedication and skill to find a nice place to make tea and learn closer to home. xx



You'd be making a huge mistake if you base your learning needs solely around it being handy for you getting home.
I went to the States just to work with someone who did certain things I wanted to learn, and I had been Tattooing for 10 years by then.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:25 PM

i'd get scouting for a place before you finish uni if I were you its alot harder then ya think.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:43 PM

View Postpeabrain, on 17 December 2009 - 05:07 PM, said:

the guide for would be apprentices is cybernetic gold



Ironic post of the millenia

View PostToxic, on 25 December 2009 - 03:22 PM, said:

Hi all I was wondering if someone here could answer a question for me, I have seen two black armbands tattooed on a few peoples forearms and was wondering if they have any meaning


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I think they mean you're a corporal in the tribal army.
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:21 AM

View Postsnakebite, on 10 February 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

Ironic post of the millenia


Indeed.
Unfortunately he obviously couldn't process the information that someone called Jim had written it, and he was being sarcastic toward someone called Jim on the same forum, ergo.....stuff!

He's gone anyway, swooped upon by the cybernetic pooper-scooper that is Darth Boner's big red "be off with you" button.
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:43 AM

It makes more sense to uproot yourself for your learning when you're at a stage, say ten years in, when you know what specific learning needs you have and where you can find them, right? As it is, it makes sense for me to start looking from where I actually live outward.

I understand that I should be willing to move heaven and earth just for the opportunity at my dream future and i agree. I dont think you're suggesting that theres somewhere it would be better for me to be right now, though. Thank you for your advice and help, and I know its going to be hard. It might never happen but none have you would have got where you are without a bit of balls and perserverance, and probably some positivity, and I think iv got what it takes. The reality of an apprenticeship will be long hours, a second job, lots of hard work and feck all money, and im ready to take that on, however being realistic about whether i can afford to get somewhere is probably a good step.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 08:09 AM

MY PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMUNITY CASE IN POINT! So. Guess what no matter how pompous or secretive you esteemed lifer tattoo artists are, you aren't going to stop people from tattooing on their own and tattooing from their homes. Facts of life, to some people it is just a hobby and nothing more. You chose to make it a career, more power to you and I respect that. But some people namely myself, enjoy it as a hobby and aren't horrible at it, and have taken the time to learn proper techniques to prevent cross-contamination, spread of infectious disease and how to work in a sterile environment. Guess what, I do have my board of health certificate but you're saying that since I admit to tattooing from my home I'm not good enough for your community? You people and your pompous attitudes will ruin tattooing for good. I've done my time apprenticing (yet another flawed system in the tattoo community) and decided that I enjoyed it as a hobby and not a career. Some people are like that. Please tell me why you are a better tattoo artist than me because you work from a shop and not from home. Simply use those two factors alone.. all other factors assuming i'm fully licensed, highly skilled and motivated towards good artwork... what makes you a better artist than me just because you work in a shop?
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:22 PM

View PostSTAYatHOMEartist, on 27 June 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

But some people namely myself, enjoy it as a hobby and aren't horrible at it



Well I suppose that's what matters

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:43 PM

View PostSTAYatHOMEartist, on 27 June 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

MY PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMUNITY CASE IN POINT! So. Guess what no matter how pompous or secretive you esteemed lifer tattoo artists are, you aren't going to stop people from tattooing on their own and tattooing from their homes. Facts of life, to some people it is just a hobby and nothing more. You chose to make it a career, more power to you and I respect that. But some people namely myself, enjoy it as a hobby and aren't horrible at it, and have taken the time to learn proper techniques to prevent cross-contamination, spread of infectious disease and how to work in a sterile environment. Guess what, I do have my board of health certificate but you're saying that since I admit to tattooing from my home I'm not good enough for your community? You people and your pompous attitudes will ruin tattooing for good. I've done my time apprenticing (yet another flawed system in the tattoo community) and decided that I enjoyed it as a hobby and not a career. Some people are like that. Please tell me why you are a better tattoo artist than me because you work from a shop and not from home. Simply use those two factors alone.. all other factors assuming i'm fully licensed, highly skilled and motivated towards good artwork... what makes you a better artist than me just because you work in a shop?


"YOUR" problem with this community?
Are you a contributing forum member?
What a whiny little baby.

Quite simply put, it's the opposite to your arrogant assumption: people like YOU will, and actively ARE, murdering Tattooing.
Board of Health certificate? What is that? What does that qualify you to do? What immediate assumption has someone made to allow them to mark your questionnaire/test paper (probably multiple-choice) to say that you are "certified"? To do WHAT exactly?
So; bombed out apprentice retreats to Tattoo from home citing that it is a better hobby than career? Who told you Tattooing was a job? Are you REALLY as thick as you sound? I'll tell you what makes those of us who own our own studios different from people like you:
Ability
Dedication
Courage
Respect
Tattooing isn't a hobby, you ignoramus, it's a calling to some of us.
You get one free answer, then told where to go. And once again for the edification of all you whiny fucking haters: THIS FORUM IS FOR THOSE OF US WHO DISAGREE WITH ALL YOU COP-OUT SCRATCHERS. IF THE FORUM IS NOT TO YOUR LIKING, GO TO ONE THAT IS.
However; on the off-chance that we have done you a massive disservice, why not put your money where your mouth is and post some of your work for us to see what we are missing out on?
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